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Rob (c137)'s avatar

The Nobel prize was always for inventions of war and power.

Anything about nature that doesn't conform to the power trips gets ignored.

"The evolutionary psychologist William von Hippel found that humans use large parts of thinking power to navigate social world rather than perform independent analysis and decision making. For most people it is the mechanism that, in case of doubt, will prevent one from thinking what is right if, in return, it endangers one’s social status. This phenomenon occurs more strongly the higher a person’s social status. Another factor is that the more educated and more theoretically intelligent a person is, the more their brain is adept at selling them the biggest nonsense as a reasonable idea, as long as it elevates their social status. The upper educated class tends to be more inclined than ordinary people to chase some intellectual boondoggle. "

-Sasha Latypova

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laughlyn (johan eddebo)'s avatar

I just want to beat them with cognitive dissonance until something breaks

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Eva's avatar

Ohhh fascinating! Never ceases to amaze me how arrogant most humans are in assuming we know everything and that we are the overlords of all.

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laughlyn (johan eddebo)'s avatar

Right? But I really think it's an aspect of only certain cultures rather than something universal.

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Michael's avatar

Observation has always been key to human discovery, but is denigrated because it takes actual patience and work and thinking, and there are no guarantees of results. Human progress is just too inefficient to bother with.

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Douglas McClenaghan's avatar

Exactly. Why bother with field work when computer modelling will tell you all you need to know?

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Mike Pappy's avatar

Thanks for this article. I haven’t been able to stop thinking about it, about its implications.

Have we - humans - in an attempt to shake off dogma and prejudice and open our minds to the potential of our intellect through the enlightenment, actually wandered further away from a connection to the earth, to nature.

I mean a deep connection, such that perhaps our brains/spirits perceived more or differently, to even be able to communicate with plants.

Mind bogglingly exciting.

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laughlyn (johan eddebo)'s avatar

Glad you appreciate it. I think there's much truth in your suggestion here. There's a sense in which complex civilization really diminishes these innate connections to the world and between each other, the ramifications of which I don't think we can really begin to understand.

"I visited an Otoe man in the veterans’ hospital who told me that he had used [peyote] to see his son in action during the Korean conflict. He told me, 'I was home on a Saturday, really worrying about my son. The heaviness in my heart for him was there. I didn’t want to go to town because I’d just end up drinking if I did. So I stayed home and decided to take peyote and, in my own way, pray. I wanted to hear something good about my son,

to see if he was safe. That’s all I was asking.'

So he ingested some peyote and closed his eyes. When he opened his eyes, he was flying and, looking down, he saw his son with a detachment of four or five soldiers who were

surrounded by the enemy: 'They were trapped and my son would have been trapped along with them, but I saw him crawling through the weeds and then the weeds seemed to give way and he fell into a dry creek bed that couldn’t be seen because of the high grass around it. He crawled under a fence and got into some trees and made it to a safe area, so I felt good. I closed my eyes again and when I opened them I was still here lying in bed. I don’t know how long it took, but I saw that.'

He told this story to his wife. Two months later they got a letter from their son describing everything the father had seen. Exactly how he had seen it—that’s the way it happened.

The father could see all that by using peyote, and from that moment on he never took another drink."

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